Russia Ukraine War

Discussions of Vladimir Putin, Zelenskyy, Ukrainian and Soviet history, and the causes and conduct of the war in Ukraine.

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The Big Picture

Three guests on the Lex Fridman Podcast set the Russia-Ukraine war inside a longer history [1][2][3]. The episode summary describes historian Stephen Kotkin as explaining Russia's perpetual geopolitics [1]. In that summary, Putin faces the same dilemma as earlier Kremlin rulers: he must manage Russian power from a position of relative weakness while holding grand ambitions for Russia as a special civilization with a providential mission [1]. The summary of Harvard historian Serhii Plokhy's conversation presents the war as the latest chapter in the collapse of the Russian Empire, traced from Kyivan Rus' to today [2]. Russia expert Fiona Hill discusses Putin's worldview, Ukraine and nuclear risk [3]. According to the summary, she argues that the real issue is Putin's wish to return to a world where big powers, the United States and Russia, decide everything, as at Yalta [3].

Kotkin and Hill both explain why Putin miscalculated about Ukraine [1][3]. Both also take up the argument that NATO expansion caused the invasion [1][3]. Kotkin and Plokhy look ahead to how the war might evolve or end [1][2].

Where the Experts Agree

  • The war has historical roots beyond recent events. Kotkin notes that Putin works in the same Kremlin buildings as Stalin, even some of the same offices, and faces the same dilemma [1]. Plokhy traces the contested inheritance of Kyiv back to Kyivan Rus' and the rise of Moscow under the Mongols [2]. Hill points out that Moscow's pressure on Ukraine was already visible in the early 1990s [3].
  • NATO is not the root cause, in Kotkin's and Hill's view. Kotkin's conversation includes a rebuttal of the argument that NATO expansion caused the invasion [1]. Hill says the pressure on Ukraine predates the NATO debates [3]. She also notes that Crimea was annexed after Ukraine sought an association agreement with the European Union, not with NATO [3].
  • Putin misjudged Ukraine. Kotkin discusses why Putin miscalculated and the rise of Zelenskyy and Ukraine's resistance [1]. Hill says Putin expected a quick operation like Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968, with Zelensky fleeing [3]. In her account, he expected this because he took Russian language use and pro-Russian polling to mean Russian identity [3].
  • Nuclear questions run through the discussions. Kotkin weighs the risk of nuclear use [1]. Hill recalls that in the early 1990s, nationalists in Moscow accused Ukraine of plotting a dirty bomb with the nuclear arsenal it had inherited [3]. Plokhy draws lessons from Chernobyl and the fragility of nuclear energy, and discusses keeping a new Cold War cold [2].

Where They Differ

The guests overlap a great deal [1][2][3]. Their differences are mostly in emphasis [1][2][3].

  • How much fault to find with Western policy. As summarized, Kotkin rebuts the NATO-blame argument [1]. Hill also rejects NATO as the real issue [3]. Even so, she calls the 2008 promise of membership to Ukraine and Georgia a strategic blunder [3]. The summary of Kotkin's conversation does not mention a similar concession [1]. Plokhy lists NATO among the topics on the road to war, alongside the Orange Revolution, the Revolution of Dignity, Crimea, the Donbas and Putin's 2021 essay [2]. The passage does not say how much weight he gives it [2].
  • Different lenses.
    • Kotkin focuses on Russian state power and the resentment and conspiratorial worldview of Putin's inner circle [1]. He also looks outward at what the summary calls China's strategic blunder in backing Putin [1].
    • Plokhy focuses on empire and nationhood [2]. He covers Ukraine's December 1991 referendum and why Russia saw no point in a union without Ukraine [2]. He also examines Stepan Bandera, both the man and the myth, and the neo-Nazi narrative [2].
    • Hill focuses on great-power politics and Putin's misreading of Ukrainian identity [3].
  • Was Ukraine's resistance predictable? In Hill's conversation, Lex Fridman pushes back [3]. He argues that the Ukrainian rally was not obvious, given Zelensky's low popularity before the war [3]. Hill agrees that history could have gone differently [3]. She still argues that invaded nations usually rise to their own defense, as the Soviet Union did in 1941 [3]. The summary of Kotkin's conversation describes the rise of Zelenskyy and Ukraine's resistance as surprising [1]. That sits closer to Fridman's point [1][3].
  • Looking ahead. Plokhy outlines three scenarios for how the war might end [2]. He discusses a constitutional obstacle and the figures of Zelensky and Zaluzhnyi [2]. Kotkin considers Putin's possible calculations and whether the world is at an inflection point [1]. The passages do not spell out the content of these scenarios or predictions [1][2].

Practical Takeaways

  • Read the war as long history, not only as news. Plokhy's account runs from Kyivan Rus' through independence to war [2]. It offers a framework for understanding competing claims to Kyiv's legacy [2].
  • Be cautious with explanations that blame NATO alone. Hill notes that Crimea's annexation followed Ukraine's EU association bid [3]. Kotkin rebuts the NATO-blame argument [1].
  • Keep a Western mistake separate from the root cause. Hill calls the 2008 NATO promise a blunder [3]. She still treats Putin's desire for Yalta-style great-power decisions as the real issue [3].
  • Don't treat language as identity. Hill's account of Putin's error warns against assuming that Russian speakers or pro-Russian polls signal Russian loyalty [3].
  • Separate the overlapping parts of the Soviet collapse. Plokhy distinguishes three things: the fall of communism, the end of the Cold War and the breakup of an empire [2].
  • Watch the wider strategic map. Kotkin's conversation treats China's backing of Putin as a strategic blunder [1]. That makes Beijing's role worth following [1].
  • Take nuclear risk seriously. Kotkin weighs the risk of nuclear use [1]. Plokhy discusses keeping a new Cold War cold [2].

Sources

  1. Stephen Kotkin on Putin, Zelenskyy and the War in Ukraine · Lex Fridman Podcast
  2. Serhii Plokhy on the History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis, War · Lex Fridman Podcast
  3. Fiona Hill on Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump and the War in Ukraine · Lex Fridman Podcast

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