Dr. Emily Morse on Better Sex: Stress, Shame, Solo Sex and the Five Pillars of Sex IQ

The Mel Robbins Podcastwith Dr. Emily Morse· · Episode aired October 19, 2023· 10 min read
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High-Level Overview

Mel Robbins opens this episode with an unusually personal confession: after nearly three decades with her husband Chris, she still feels deeply connected and attracted to him, but neither of them is satisfied with their sex life. They are tired, they know each other's moves, and plans made in the morning dissolve by bedtime. Prompted by her therapist, she invites Dr. Emily Morse, host of the long-running podcast Sex with Emily, holder of a PhD in human sexuality and author of Smart Sex, to answer the questions that 3,500 listeners sent in within 24 hours. The conversation covers why stress, trauma and shame kill desire, why most of what we learned about sex is inaccurate, the importance of solo sex, how to start awkward conversations with a partner, the five pillars of what Dr. Emily calls sex IQ, and a rapid-fire round of listener questions.

The tone is frank, funny and warm. Mel plays the role of the embarrassed friend who goes first, admitting her own hang-ups so listeners feel less alone, while Dr. Emily stays calm, practical and shame-free. The conversation swings between candid personal stories, myth-busting facts about bodies and arousal, and concrete scripts and exercises couples can try the same night.

Table of contents

The Discussion Explores:

  • Why stress, trauma and shame are the three biggest killers of sex drive and connection
  • The myth that great sex should happen automatically, and why scheduling sex actually helps
  • Spontaneous versus responsive desire, and why most vulva owners need a long warm-up
  • Solo sex as the foundation for knowing and communicating what you like
  • The "three T's" (timing, tone and turf) for starting awkward conversations, plus the compliment sandwich script
  • Dr. Emily's five pillars of sex IQ: embodiment, health, collaboration, self-acceptance and self-knowledge
  • Core desires, trauma, pain during sex, and casual sex without shame
  • Five closing hacks, from communication to taking the focus off orgasm

Deep Dive into Main Ideas

Stress, Trauma and Shame: The Three Desire Killers

Mel noticed a pattern in the flood of listener messages: shame, overthinking and an inability to ask for what you want. Dr. Emily confirmed it and named her own trio: stress, trauma and shame are the biggest killers of our sex lives. She argued that people tend to put sex in a silo, separate from overall health and wellness, and assume it will somehow fix itself. But anxiety does creep into the bedroom. In her words, "we can't live in a state of spiked cortisol and also live with pleasure." Worry and arousal, she said, cancel each other out.

Mel's takeaway was blunt: it is nearly impossible to get into a state of arousal while you are in a stress state. Physical and mental health directly affect the capacity for pleasure, which means that calming the nervous system is not a side project but a prerequisite. This framing set up much of what followed, from breathing exercises to the advice to deal with unresolved trauma.

The Myth of Magical, Automatic Sex

Dr. Emily's second big theme is that nearly everything people have learned about sex is untrue or unhealthy. The central myth is that great sex should just happen, as it seemed to during the "new relationship energy" of early dating, and that needing to talk about it or work on it means something is wrong. When the spark fades, many couples simply go silent and, as she put it, silently suffer through disappointing sex.

Mel described her own version: waking up planning a romantic night, only to find Chris asleep with his eye mask and retainer by the time she gets to bed. Dr. Emily's fix is to schedule sex realistically, choosing a time when both partners actually have energy, such as a Saturday morning before a workout. A bonus of scheduling, she said, is that it removes the midweek guilt of plans that fell through. She also described the common dynamic of a higher-desire and lower-desire partner, noting that the lower-desire partner holds the power, and that the partner who always initiates can start to believe they are no longer desired. Rather than inventing stories, she suggests asking your partner to "check a story" with you.

Responsive Desire, the Vulva and the Warm-Up

Dr. Emily explained that there are two ways of getting turned on: spontaneous desire and responsive desire. Men, she said, tend to be quick to heat up while women tend to be "slow cookers." Using the terms "vulva owners" and "penis owners," she clarified that the vulva is the external part of the genitals and that this is where most arousal happens. Only about 20 percent of vulva owners, she said, can orgasm through penetration alone. She also shared that research has updated the count of clitoral nerve endings from the long-quoted 8,000 to about 12,000, compared with about 4,000 for the circumcised penis.

The practical upshot is that foreplay matters. "foreplay is not just a light suggestion. It's actually a requirement," Dr. Emily said, adding that vulva owners typically need between 20 and 40 minutes to reach orgasm with a partner. Mel stressed how freeing it is to understand this as simply how bodies work rather than a personal failing. Dr. Emily also blamed poor education: only about 17 states, she said, require sex education to be medically accurate, and movies show couples climaxing together after minimal effort, leaving people with little accurate information.

Solo Sex: Writing Your Own Owner's Manual

Dr. Emily calls masturbation "solo sex and considers it the most primary sexual relationship. Knowing what feels good is, as she put it, really creating the owner's manual for our own bodies," which you can then share with a partner. She gave three reasons not to wait for someone else: waiting gives your sexual power away when you are responsible for your own pleasure; shame about masturbation needs to be unlearned whether you are single or partnered; and touching and enjoying your body builds self-acceptance and quiets the negative self-talk that keeps people from being present.

Mel shared openly that she could not reach orgasm on her own in her twenties, only discovering a vibrator at her bachelorette party, and that even now she waits for Chris's truck to leave the driveway. Dr. Emily said she did not have an orgasm until she got a vibrator in her mid-twenties either, and that there is no shame in owning one. She encouraged using a mirror to learn your own anatomy, noting research suggesting women get more turned on when they watch themselves, and suggested mutual masturbation as a way for couples to share intimacy and learn from each other. Mel's reluctance became a running joke about learning to "tell time" with the vulva.

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The Three T's and the Compliment Sandwich

The most common listener question was some version of "how do I get my partner to..." Dr. Emily's answer is the three T's. Timing: talk when you are both relaxed. Turf: have the conversation outside the bedroom, which should stay reserved for sleep and sex, ideally on a walk or a drive where you are side by side without intense eye contact. Tone: curious, compassionate and open, framing it as a growth mindset for the relationship. She warned that the first attempt may not go well, because a partner who has never discussed sex may assume they are being criticized, and advised steering back to "this is about us."

For actual requests, she recommends a compliment sandwich: start with something you loved about recent sex, put the request in the middle (for example, more kissing and foreplay), and close with how it would benefit you both, then ask how your partner feels and listen without getting defensive. Her book, she said, contains a whole chapter of scripts. For couples who have not had sex in months or years, she said the key is simply to acknowledge it out loud. Mel, who admitted she and Chris once went months without sex during a period of financial stress, described naming the problem as hitting "day zero" on a new chapter.

The Five Pillars of Sex IQ

When Mel asked about low libido, Dr. Emily said people want quick fixes, like a new position, toy or lube, and these do help, but lasting change comes from her five pillars of sexual intelligence. Embodiment means being present during sex rather than thinking about an unsent email or how your body looks. Health covers physical and mental wellbeing, including exercise, food and medications, and she named antidepressants such as SSRIs, blood pressure medications and the birth control pill as things that can affect arousal and libido. Collaboration is how well you communicate your needs and turn-ons with a partner. Self-acceptance is feeling confident in your body as it is today. Self-knowledge is knowing what turns you on and off, which her book's desire inventory is designed to uncover.

To get out of your head during sex, Dr. Emily recommends breath work. She led a short exercise: breathe in for a count of five, do a Kegel squeeze of the pelvic floor muscles, then release for a count of five or six. She also suggests breathing together while looking into your partner's eyes, or, if you would rather keep it private, running through your five senses to anchor yourself in the moment. Mel summed up her approach to low libido as treating sex like exercise: you set yourself up to do it without waiting to feel like it.

Orgasm, Energy and What Sex Is For

Dr. Emily described an orgasm as essentially the most pleasurable muscle spasm, the peak of arousal when the body releases tension. Because vulva owners have a short refractory period, most can have multiple orgasms, which is how she explained her famous 23 in one night. She defined hot sex as consensual, mutually pleasurable sex where everyone communicates and feels safe, cherished, adored and hot.

She also discussed sexual polarity: everyone carries both masculine (directed, purposeful) and feminine (nurturing, fluid, creative) energy. As an independent woman living largely in her masculine energy, she has learned to shift into her feminine before sex with a bath, breath work, dancing or movement to wash off the day. Yet she cautioned that "orgasm is not necessarily the goal of sex." Connection and intimacy can be the goal, and taking the pressure off orgasm often leads to more of them. She suggested reflecting on your most memorable sexual experiences as your "sexual DNA," full of clues about what works for you.

Core Desires, Trauma and Listener Questions

Drawing on the work of Jack Morin, Dr. Emily explained core desires: the emotional states we most want to feel during sex, such as being adored, worshiped or fully accepted, which often trace back to childhood. She distinguished a fantasy, something enjoyable to think about, from a fetish, which is a requirement for arousal. If your core desire is to feel cherished, she suggested a night with massage candles and a partner describing what they love about your body.

In the rapid-fire round she advised a listener raised Catholic to practice mindful masturbation; a newly divorced listener to go slowly and say yes to every invitation to practice connecting; a newly sober listener to find safe partners and communicate that this is a new chapter; and someone who stops mid-sex because it feels too good to practice letting the sensation move through them alone first. On trauma, she said burying it tends to make it worse and recommended therapy, especially EMDR. Signs of unresolved trauma can include dissociation, numbness, avoidance, flashbacks and pain. She said 85 percent of women will experience pain during sex at some point, and urged anyone in pain to see a pelvic floor physical therapist rather than suffer through it. On casual sex, she said sex does not have to lead to attachment, and that people who feel shame can write down their negative beliefs and use her "flip the script" exercise to question them.

Five Hacks for Your Best Chapter

Dr. Emily closed with her bottom-line tips. First, communication: "Communication is a lubrication." Second, solo sex, to understand your own body. Third, try one new thing, whether it is her free yes, no, maybe list of about 80 sex acts that couples sort together, a bottle of lube, a toy or simply a different room. She also stressed scheduling sex and protecting date night, with no phones, kids or work talk. Fourth, work on limiting beliefs and flip the script on them. Fifth, take the focus off orgasm and center your sex life on connection, touch and intimacy. Mel promised to print the list and bring it to date night.


Conclusion

This episode reframes better sex as a skill and a responsibility rather than a matter of luck or chemistry. Dr. Emily Morse's core message is that you are responsible for your own pleasure: calm the stress that blocks arousal, drop the shame you absorbed growing up, learn your own body through solo sex, and then talk about it with a partner using simple tools like the three T's and the compliment sandwich. Understanding responsive desire and the need for a long warm-up removes a lot of self-blame, while the five pillars of sex IQ show how health, presence, communication, self-acceptance and self-knowledge all come into the bedroom with you. Mel's willingness to go first makes the whole conversation feel less awkward, and listeners come away with concrete scripts, exercises and one clear invitation: start talking.


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