Jennifer Breheny Wallace on Toxic Achievement, Grind Culture and the Power of Mattering

High-Level Overview

Mel Robbins opens with a confession. Though she prides herself on not getting sucked into the college admissions frenzy, a passing comment from another parent about her son Oakley's early decision school sent her into what she calls 48 hours of "psycho parent" mode, demanding to see his essay draft until he told her to back off. That experience led her to Jenny Wallace, an award-winning, Harvard-educated journalist and author of Never Enough, a book based on years of research into grind culture and what she calls toxic achievement, including a survey of thousands of parents and interviews across the country.

The conversation is warm, candid and practical. Jenny lays out the data on how pressure has seeped into family life, then reframes the whole problem: underneath the pressure is an unmet need to feel that we matter. The second half turns into a toolkit of simple, research-backed habits for parents, bosses and anyone who wants to help the people around them feel valued. The discussion moves from Mel's personal story to research findings to concrete scripts you can use at home that same day.

The Discussion Explores:

• What grind culture and toxic achievement are, and how they differ from healthy achievement
• Survey data showing parents feel responsible for, and judged by, their children's success
• Mattering as the root need: feeling valued for who you are and being relied on to add value
• Small everyday ways to signal that someone matters, from "lead with lunch" to thanking the cafeteria worker
• Reframing bad grades, telling failure stories and adopting the family motto "never worry alone"
• Why good enough parenting beats perfection, and why caregivers need support first
• Minimizing criticism, using chores and opinions to build mattering, and focusing on strengths and intrinsic values

Deep Dive into Main Ideas

Grind Culture, Toxic Achievement and Healthy Achievement

Jenny defines grind culture as a set of messages telling us we are only as good as our productivity and performance: what we make, the grades we get, the college we get into. Toxic achievement is running toward the next goal because you feel you are not worthy until you reach it. Healthy achievement, by contrast, means recognizing your strengths, recognizing that you need other people to reach high goals, and not treating a missed goal as an indictment of your worth.

Mel stresses that although Jenny's research focuses on children and young adults, the same pressure hits adults comparing their careers, salaries and lives to their friends'. She also argues that bosses and parents have to take responsibility for how they pass their own pressure on to others. Jenny agrees that parental behavior matters, but asks parents to zoom out and see that these anxieties are universal rather than personal failings.

What the Research Shows About Parents

Working with a Harvard researcher, Jenny ran a parenting survey hoping for about a thousand responses; within days, roughly 6,500 parents had filled it out. The recurring theme was that parents today feel responsible for their children's achievement and success. When she asked whether others think their children's academic success reflects their parenting, 83 percent agreed. When asked whether they wished today's childhood were less stressful for their kids, 87 percent agreed.

Traveling the country to interview hundreds of these parents, Jenny heard the same stories again and again: sleepless nights spent cramming for AP classes, weekends at soccer tournaments, missed family gatherings and birthday parties. One mother in Alaska told her that her kids never really understood what Thanksgiving dinner was, because they were always on the road for tournaments. Jenny says she grew up in the 1970s and 80s with parents who would buy her a tennis racket but did not feel they had to push her to the front of the pack. Mel adds that this is the first generation expected to be worse off than their parents on measures like health, anxiety and depression, so it is no wonder everyone is stressed.

Mattering: The Need Beneath the Pressure

Jenny's central finding is that "At the root of all this suffering is an unmet need to feel like we matter for who we are at our core." Searching for what healthy strivers had in common, she found about 15 common threads and a framework in the psychological concept of mattering, first described in the 1980s by Morris Rosenberg, the researcher who brought us the idea of self-esteem. To matter, she explains, we need two things: to feel valued for who we are at our core by family, colleagues, friends and community, and to be depended on to add meaningful value back to them. When both are present, people have what she calls social proof that they matter.

Mattering, she says, acts like a protective shield against anxiety and depression. Healthy achievers still fail, but mattering works like a buoy that lifts them after setbacks. The kids suffering most were those who felt they mattered only when they performed, and those who felt loved at home but were never relied on for anything. Researchers describe an "instinct to matter" that drives human behavior for better or worse. People who feel they matter show up well in the world; people who feel marginalized may turn inward toward depression, anxiety or substances, or act out, with a school shooter as the most tragic example. Jenny sees this unmet need behind much of today's loneliness, anxiety and depression.

Small Signals That Someone Matters

When a 30-year-old at a corporate event asked Jenny for a mantra to help him feel he mattered, she told him instead to go thank the cafeteria worker who always smiles at him and tell her she brightens his day. Her point: "Unlocking the mattering in other people, feeds our own mattering." Mattering shows up in big moments like milestone toasts, but also in small everyday ones. She recalls a man at an office party who texted through their entire conversation, which told her she mattered less than his phone, and warns that kids pick up the same signal when parents scroll or answer email while they are talking.

Her signature habit is to "lead with lunch." Instead of greeting her kids after school with questions about a Spanish quiz, she asks what they had for lunch, a habit borrowed from her late grandmother. Her kids already get achievement messages everywhere, she says, so home should be a haven from that pressure. With partners or roommates, a similar question is, what was the best part of your day? Mel cites a Gallup finding that about 80 percent of people had not heard from their boss that they were appreciated in the past year, and Jenny adds that research shows people underestimate how warmly gratitude will be received, often fearing they will embarrass the other person.

Bad Grades, Failure Stories and "Never Worry Alone"

For bad grades, Jenny shares advice from psychologist Lisa Damour: rather than dismissing it, help your child widen their perspective. A bad grade on one test tells you what you knew that particular day; it does not reflect how much your teacher likes you, how you will do in the future, or who you are as a student. Her family also shares failure stories. When her seventh grader was crushed by red marks on a paper, Jenny pulled up an early article she wrote for the Washington Post science section that her editor had covered in comments, and explained that she learned to see such feedback as someone investing in her.

Her family mantra is to "never worry alone." It teaches that we are worthy of support during setbacks and that we are not our setbacks. Jenny argues that alongside self-reliance, kids need the skills of interdependence: how to rely on others and be relied on in healthy ways. Mel adds that if we do not model reaching out, we teach others to suffer in silence as so many generations have.

Good Enough Beats Perfect, and Caregivers Need Care

When her oldest was born, Jenny considered getting a PhD in psychology to become the perfect parent. She came to see that perfectionism serves neither parent nor child. The "good enough" parent is responsive, acknowledging and validating needs without meeting every one, which also helps children learn to regulate disappointment. Mel sums it up with a line from the book: the difference between a 91 and a 99 on a test is having a good life.

The research that changed Jenny's mind most is that the number one intervention for a child in distress is to make sure the primary caregiver's well-being is intact, because a child's resilience rests on the caregiver's resilience, which in turn rests on the depth of the caregiver's relationships. She describes a study by resilience researcher Suniya Luthar in which busy professional mothers met in small groups of four or five for one hour a week over three months. No one dropped out, and afterward the mothers had lower cortisol, less stress about work and home, and stronger connections with their kids. For those who feel they have no one, Jenny suggests churches, community centers and local Facebook event pages, and Mel adds that you will not find support sitting on your couch.

Minimize Criticism, Prioritize Affection

Jenny says criticism affects kids up to five times more than a compliment, so she aims for at least five positive interactions for every criticism. Asked for one thing parents could do that night, Suniya Luthar gave her a phrase: "minimize criticism, prioritize affection." The healthiest kids at competitive schools had parents who separated the deed from the doer. Mel tests this with a story about her daughter wanting to ship a box of shoes for about $100 instead of checking a $25 bag; Jenny confirms that criticizing the decision is fine, while calling the person dumb is not.

Chores matter too, not just for work ethic but because they show kids they are an important, contributing part of the family. Jenny suggests framing requests around real needs, such as saying dad is cooking and you are on a deadline, so who can set the table, and for laundry, asking your child to throw a few of your things into their load because it would be a big help. Mel realizes this turns a power struggle into a request for support. Asking kids for their opinions, for example having them research the best hotel rate for a vacation, also shows them they add value. Jenny quotes Brown University sociologist Gregory Elliott: "what gets in early gets in deep."

Knowing Your Kids: Strengths, Volunteering and Intrinsic Values

Jenny made several other changes after her research. Her family now has a volunteer mandate, with time set aside every weekend, the way some families require kids to play a sport. She has shifted from praise, which can feel like pressure, to making her kids feel known, earning what she calls "a PhD in my kids." Her family took the free VIA values in action survey, which identifies five core strengths, and she now focuses on those rather than on weaknesses.

She explains that values act like a zero-sum game: the more time kids spend on extrinsic values like grades, looks, likes and admissions, the less room there is for intrinsic ones, and research links an overemphasis on extrinsic values to anxiety, depression and substance abuse. So at home she highlights intrinsic qualities, like being a good sibling or noticing when the family needs help, and even annotates her kids' teacher narratives instead of focusing on the grade. Mel shares that at parent-teacher meetings she and her husband asked teachers to skip grades and describe what kind of person their child is. She closes by urging everyone to assume that most people are walking around with a deficit of appreciation, and to be the one who helps them feel they matter.

Conclusion

This episode reframes the exhausting pressure of grind culture as a symptom of something deeper: the human need to feel that we matter for who we are, not what we achieve, and to be relied on to add value to others. Jenny Wallace's research shows that parents are feeling this pressure too, and that the fix is less about pushing harder and more about small, consistent signals: leading with lunch, telling failure stories, never worrying alone, minimizing criticism, giving kids real ways to contribute, and noticing their inherent strengths. Just as importantly, caregivers need support themselves, because children's resilience rests on theirs. Mel's takeaway applies to everyone: we each hold the keys to helping others feel seen, and doing so feeds our own sense of mattering as well.

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