Tom Segura on Delusion, the Debate, Clean Eating, Sports Cars and His New Netflix Series (JRE #2202)

High-Level Overview

Recorded the day after the September 2024 presidential debate, this episode is a relaxed catch-up between Joe Rogan and his longtime friend, comedian Tom Segura, co-host of Your Mom's House and Two Bears, One Cave. The two bounce from arm wrestling and the power of delusion to Canada's assisted-death program, loneliness, the Harris-Trump debate, immigration and voter ID, dark algorithms and whether phones listen to us. From there it turns practical and personal: creatine for sleep-deprived brains, Tom's three-month clean-eating overhaul, glyphosate and seed oils, Nordic curls, and a long, joyful detour into supercars, Singer Porsches and private racetracks.

The tone is funny, friendly and conversational, with Tom's easygoing storytelling balancing Joe's enthusiasm. The episode flows from dark-humored current events to health tips, car obsession, soccer and tennis, and finally Tom's upcoming Netflix series and the craft of stand-up specials.

The Discussion Explores:

• How delusional confidence can sometimes help, from arm wrestling to beating cancer
• Canada's fast-growing assisted-death program, suicide and loneliness in an online world
• Their read of the Harris-Trump debate, political theater and the earring-earpiece rumor
• Immigration, voter ID, algorithms that show violence, and a live test of phone snooping
• Creatine for cognition, Tom's clean-eating results and Joe on glyphosate and seed oils
• Hamstring stretching, Nordic curls and training around a busy schedule
• Supercars, Singer and RUF Porsches, and why fun matters more than speed
• Tom's comedic Black Mirror-style Netflix series and why comics should own their specials

Deep Dive into Main Ideas

The Upside of Delusion

The episode opens with arm wrestling, which Joe calls one of the dumbest macho things people do because arms break once they are extended away from the body. Tom recalls losing to Joe after a show in Louisville and describes a friend's mysterious certainty that he can't lose at anything. That leads to a more serious story: a friend of Tom's was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer, doctors told everyone to say goodbye, but his brother found a specialist and the friend insisted he would beat it. Tom thought he was being foolish, but as his friend recovered he realized "this guy's fucking delusion is serving him."

Tom contrasts this with an uncle, a Mayo Clinic urologist who developed mesothelioma and was, in his father's words, too smart to believe he could beat it. Joe notes that if a belief proves correct, it isn't really delusional.

Assisted Death, Suicide and Loneliness

Joe brings up Canada's medically assisted death program, and Jamie finds a recent report calling it the fastest growing in the world, with 13,241 deaths in 2022. Joe jokes darkly about how easy it seems, then makes a serious point: some people might have been talked off the ledge with love, friendship, counseling or therapy. They discuss their friend Michael's choice to use Oregon's program as ALS ravaged him, and friends they've lost to suicide.

Tom says that as he's gotten older he has realized how many people are lonely, lacking the family and friendships many take for granted. Joe adds that online-only lives are especially isolating, with people spending all day barking at strangers, and says someone who cares about you can come over, make you laugh and completely change how you feel.

The Debate and the Theater of Politics

Both agree Kamala Harris won the debate on preparation. Joe says whoever coached her did an amazing job, particularly baiting Trump with a jab about his rally crowds, while Trump failed to use his limited time wisely. Tom points out that Harris, as a former prosecutor, is trainable and does well when prepared, and that years of pressure as vice president may explain her struggles off the cuff. Both also note Trump is genuinely funny, riffing like a comedian, while Joe argues his first term's economy was strong and that the dictator fears didn't materialize.

They discuss the need for moderators to correct false claims, citing Trump's assertion that Harris negotiated with Putin, and a rumor that Harris wore earring earphones, which Joe finds intriguing but unproven. Joe also discusses the Springfield, Ohio pet-eating claims, arguing that recent arrivals from poor places might eat animals without anyone realizing it's wrong, and laughs at a viral tweet satirizing how quickly online narratives shift.

Immigration, Voter ID and Online Distortion

Joe, who stresses that both he and Tom are products of immigration and that immigration is great, argues the border crisis is a real problem and that criminals should be screened out. He contends that moving migrants into swing states while calling voter ID racist makes no sense, pointing out that Americans just lived through years of needing vaccine passports. Tom adds criticism of gerrymandered districts, and they argue Democrats sidelined Bernie Sanders, RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard.

They agree that arguing online is bad for your mental health, and Tom mentions people who hand their social media logins to someone else to protect their happiness. They also puzzle over why platforms ban a misgendering comment but let graphic videos of executions, accidents and drone warfare flood their feeds, often disguised with innocuous captions. Tom says war footage gives a sobering view of modern combat, and both admit their shared text thread is a dark algorithm nightmare.

Is Your Phone Listening?

Tom recounts a Meta engineer telling him, when Tom described an experiment where talking about Lamborghinis led to Lamborghini ads, "we listen." So they test it live, closing their apps and repeatedly talking about high school baseball and cigar humidors, subjects they never search. Along the way they look up the fastest recorded MLB pitch, 105.8 miles per hour, and fast tennis serves. At the end of the episode Joe checks Google and finds no high school baseball or humidors in his feed, just the usual cars, fights and science stories.

Creatine, Sleep and Clean Eating

After Tom describes a sleepless night following a mushroom gummy, Joe recommends creatine, which he takes daily, for mental performance when you're short on sleep. Jamie pulls up a study showing a single high dose of creatine improved cognitive performance during sleep deprivation, and Joe adds that it also helps workouts and increases water in the muscles.

Tom shares that he has spent about three months eating extremely clean to prepare for shooting his show: four eggs and blueberries, a protein shake, around 10 ounces of chicken with greens at lunch, and 16 to 20 ounces of lean protein like sea bass or salmon at dinner, following a plan from a Los Angeles nutritionist. He's down to about 204 pounds, and says the biggest surprise was his gut health: after years of chronic digestive trouble, it became completely normal, and a few spoonfuls of sweet shaved ice now make him sick. Joe responds, "You don't realize that you're poisoning yourself until you stop poisoning yourself," and tells how Duncan Trussell discovered his blood sugar spiked from sweetened vapes.

Joe hopes RFK Jr. will expose problems in the food system, especially glyphosate, which he says turns up in many grains, including wheat, oats, rice and popcorn, and which he suggests may explain some reactions people attribute to gluten. He also criticizes seed oils and notes that doctors get little nutrition training.

Stretching, Nordic Curls and Training Around a Schedule

After joking about Bert Kreischer's attempt to do the splits, Joe explains he stretches constantly, especially his hamstrings, because pulling an 80-pound bow about 150 times a day tightens his lower back and neck. He says tight hamstrings often drive lower back pain. He's a big fan of Nordic curls, which he couldn't do even once at first despite strong legs; he recommends adjustable benches from the Tib Bar Guy and Mr. Infinity so you can start at an angle, and MonkeyFeet for leg curls. Tom, who trains six days a week with alternating lifting and steady-state cardio, says he and his trainer are planning shorter morning workouts so he can keep training during six weeks of production rather than dropping to zero.

Supercars, Singer and the Fun of Driving

The longest tangent is cars. Tom describes driving a McLaren 765LT as both terrifying and seductive, and both think it's crazy that anyone can buy cars with over 1,000 horsepower, like the new Corvette ZR1, without proving any skill. They admire Bugatti's mechanical gauge cluster, laugh at Sam Altman being spotted in a roughly four-million-dollar Koenigsegg after saying he isn't in it for money, and gush over Singer's turbo Porsche restorations and RUF's Porsche-like creations.

Joe's favorite, though, is his slowest car, an air-cooled Porsche 964 RS America with no power steering, because "It's about how much fun it is to go fast," not raw numbers. They fantasize about a private racetrack after Jamie finds a replica F1 track for sale in Texas, and praise automotive journalist Chris Harris, arguing enthusiasts' YouTube reviews beat TV stunts.

Dana White, Soccer and Seeing Sports Live

Tom relays a story Dana White told about hiring Joe after seeing him on tapes, and Joe explains he only knows combat sports and has no clutter from other sports in his head. Tom, whose family is South American, has come around on soccer, praising Austin FC's stadium and the generational talent of Messi and Ronaldo, and says seeing Novak Djokovic in the Australian Open final convinced him that live sport is everything. Joe says his favorite place to watch fights is the UFC Apex, and they preview the upcoming UFC event at the Sphere in Las Vegas.

Tom's Netflix Series and Owning Your Work

Tom explains that during a tour break he self-funded three short films with director Rami, planning to sell them on his own pay-per-view site. His agents showed them to Netflix, which ordered a six-episode series he describes as "a comedic black mirror," twisted short stories with a comedic tone, shot entirely in Austin with a local crew and actors starting October 7. He has learned to limit touring to about three shows a week, and says production's fixed end date makes intense work manageable.

Joe encourages Tom to do a live special and insists a comic's special should be exactly what the comic wants. Tom agrees but says he has learned to weigh notes, accepting good ones and rejecting others. Joe says he books podcast guests on one criterion: "Somebody I want to talk to." They close with food talk, from a deep-frying YouTube chef and Joe's hot sauce tolerance to elk sausage on a Traeger and Grillworks grills, and a tribute to chef José Andrés and World Central Kitchen.

Conclusion

This is a warm, wandering hangout that mixes laughs with genuinely useful takeaways. On the serious side, Joe and Tom reflect on how belief can carry people through illness, how loneliness and online life wear people down, and how a prepared performance won the debate. On the practical side, Tom's clean-eating experiment, Joe's creatine and hamstring routines, and the reminder that you don't know how bad you feel until you stop poisoning yourself stand out. Wrapped around it all is pure enthusiasm, for cars, sports, food and Tom's new Netflix show, and a shared belief that the best creative work comes from doing it your own way.

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